Split MVP?

ItalianStallion · #1 (**permalink**) 01-03-2004

Yeah, Peyton Manning and Steve McNair split the MVP this year. But that is completely wrong for the following reasons:

Manning beat McNair TWICE this season.
Manning didn't miss one snap this year, while McNair missed several and even missed two games.
MVP is for the Most Valuable Player. The Titans won both games McNair was out, but if Peyton Manning had been out then the Colts probably wouldn't have won several games...

Peyton Manning deserved the MVP, and if he was going to split it with anyone it should have been Priest Holmes. Priest Holmes is the center of the Chiefs offense and the Chiefs got off to such a great start but they're defense is just terrible, which means that the whole team was carried by the offense, which was carried by Priest Holmes. That's what an MVP is, not a guy that sits out two games when his team still wins...

#2 (**permalink**) 01-21-2004

I hate Peyton Manning. Steve McNair is so much better and sholud be mvp. The guy plays when hurt and beat up. I bet Payton Manning wouldnt play when as hurt as McNair. McNair is better and should be mvp, not Manning.

ItalianStallion · #3 (**permalink**) 01-21-2004

WOW!!!!!!!!

The reason Peyton doesn't have to play through injuries is because he's not a little pansy like McNair. He knows when to throw the ball and you don't see him take a hit.

Oh yeah, how many times did Peyton Manning beat McNair??

How many?

EDIT: Oh yeah, Peyton did play through a hurt hand one game and still threw for over 300 yards.

#4 (**permalink**) 01-22-2004

Manning played only one game while McNair was hurt almost every game. McNair should be mvp because he pretty much carried the whole team by himself. Manning had a lot of support on that team, McNair doesn't. At least McNair didnt play totally horrible against the Patriots, Manning shure did. McNair is better.

ItalianStallion · #5 (**permalink**) 01-23-2004

WHAT??!! Are you kidding me? Was Tennessee not #1 in the league against the run? But yeah definitely, that wasn't really important it was all Steve(massive amounts of sarcasm.) Actually, McNair did suck against the Pats. Peyton carried an almost perfect QB rating in his first two games and McNair threw something like 5 picks in 2 games in the playoffs. 3 against the Ravens. THE RAVENS!!!

You didn't even answer to the fact that McNair lost TWICE to Peyton. He even got beat on his homefield!

#6 (**permalink**) 01-23-2004

Hrm i guess Goerge and Mason are scrubs. Along with a top defense

ItalianStallion · #7 (**permalink**) 01-24-2004

Well, Eddie George is but Desmond Mason and Darnerien McCants (I think thats it) are both very good wideouts.

#8 (**permalink**) 01-24-2004

George is still a powerful force and can get the tough yards. Plus McNair gets the ball in better field position with a better D

ItalianStallion · #9 (**permalink**) 01-24-2004

Eddie George only rushed for 100 yards in 2 games last year, but Holcombe... he's a player.

#10 (**permalink**) 01-24-2004

Yeah but he moved the chains when they needed to. He is basicly a fullback

#11 (**permalink**) 01-27-2004

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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion

WHAT??!! Are you kidding me? Was Tennessee not #1 in the league against the run? But yeah definitely, that wasn't really important it was all Steve(massive amounts of sarcasm.) Actually, McNair did suck against the Pats. Peyton carried an almost perfect QB rating in his first two games and McNair threw something like 5 picks in 2 games in the playoffs. 3 against the Ravens. THE RAVENS!!!

You didn't even answer to the fact that McNair lost TWICE to Peyton. He even got beat on his homefield!

The Colts were a better team altogether against Tennessee, not Manning. The Patriots killed the Colts in the playoffs while the Titans kept it close.

ItalianStallion · #12 (**permalink**) 01-27-2004

It doesn't matter what happened against the Patriots. What happened when the two teams went head-to-head? McNair lost. Twice.

And what's up with him getting hurt so much? How can someone go down that many times in one season? McNair missed two games... and both of them his team WON! If the Most VALUABLE Player is out shouldn't his team struggle a little bit? I know that if Peyton was out then the Colts would stink up the field.

#13 (**permalink**) 01-27-2004

This is pathetic.

ItalianStallion · #14 (**permalink**) 01-27-2004

Ok man that doesn't help the conversation at all so it's kinda considered spam...

#15 (**permalink**) 01-27-2004

Sorry, I meant Your posts are great, tholts are pathetic.

phatboyty · #16 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion

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[list][*]Manning beat McNair TWICE this season.

dude the colts beat the titans manning didnt beat mcnair because if it was just mcnair we wouldve won but are special teams suck the cant catch a ball and if they do when the get hit they fumbe and if we wouldnt have had those dumb **** heads we wouldve won the game

ItalianStallion · #17 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

You're special teams didn't really effect either game I don't think because I was at the first one and I know the ST didn't effect that one at all but the second one I was in the car all day. Don't make excuses, you know Peyton is a much better player.

phatboyty · #18 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

i dont remember the 1st one i dont no why but thre second game we got are *** kicked cause are st sucks

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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion

Don't make excuses, you know Peyton is a much better player.

if you like a gay hick who cant run and is only good cause his last name

phatboyty · #19 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion

Don't make excuses, you know Peyton is a much better player.

if you like a gay hick who cant run and is only good cause his last name

ItalianStallion · #20 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

Who cares if he can't run, he's the smartest QB in the game, throws for more yards than Steve, and doesn't take many hits because he's not an idiot like Steve.

phatboyty · #21 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

cause steve isnt afraid to get hit he aint a puss like manning

ItalianStallion · #22 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

Not a puss? Yeah right, the guy has as many injuries as he does touchdown passes.

phatboyty · #23 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

that doesnt have to do with being a puss and he plays with every one so thats aint a puss

ItalianStallion · #24 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

Plays with everyone? What the hell does that mean. And, yes, it does have to do with being a puss. You don't see RUNNING BACKS, that get hit more than he does, go down that many times.

phatboyty · #25 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

he plays with every injury and id like to see ur *** out there

ItalianStallion · #26 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004

I'm not saying I could take that stuff, but if he's gonna play at that level he should be able to take the punishment. And, no, he doesn't play with every injury. He missed two games this year, but yet his team won both games. If he's so valuable to his team then how can they win without him?

#27 (**permalink**) 03-11-2004

Listen, there both great QB's but Manning is the better QB. It's to bad that "Air" McNairs arm was holstered most of his career other wise he would be looked at differently. The reason there are so many Manning haters out there is the same reason I like him, you envy the Colts for what they have in there QB. I wish I had Peyton on the Cowboys, I wish I had McNair as well but Manning over McNair.

Also this is a point that me and a couple of guys were discussing at work about the split MVP thing. A friend of mine said that the weird thing is if Jake Plummer had put up the same exact stats that McNair had, would he had been co-MVP? If Rich Gannon led the Raiders to the playoffs with the same numbers as McNair would he had been given a co-MVP? I am not racist in any way and I don't like these conversations but do you think that if a white QB on any playoff team with the same numbers as McNair would have been given co-MVP. Tom Brady sure was not, and he carried his team all the way to the playoffs with no running game as well. Personally I thought that if there should have been a co-MVP it should have been Lewis and Manning. Remember Farve and Sanders (1998?) I don't like to think it but it seems that the NFL wishes and pushes sometimes the Black issue. And if they didn't then why did they fine the Detroit Lions $500,000 for not interveiwing a Black Coach before hiring Mariucci. Now come on his record speaks for itself. Hell the Cowboys had to interview Carthon (Black RB coach) before they could officially hire Parcells so they did not get in trouble as well. Even Dennis Green admitted to turning down interviews for head coach positions cuz the team GM's told him that they were just following guidelines.

And I'm sick of fans riding the McNair was hurt all year horse to make him look good. Every player plays hurt, some whine more then others. Sad thing is that there mullet representive of a coach admitted to not changing the injury status of McNair so that Teams did not know what to prepare for the next week. So Manning played with a Broken Jaw last year, remember that.

#28 (**permalink**) 03-11-2004

You do sound alot like rush limbaugh.......but let me say this. I agree. not to bring up any political issues but now it seems people are fighting past pregidouses with new ones.

ex1.The passion of Christ-reports were the jewish people were portrayed as mean, barbaric people. i saw the movie the other day. please. there was 1 jewish man who wanted jesus killed.

ex2.No white person can say anything about an african american. automatically you become a racist and a hater.

ex3.the nfl thing. please. 500,000 for not interviewing a coach of a different color? now it seems that the pregidous has been shifted to others.

cashpath · #29 (**permalink**) 03-11-2004

I'm closing this thread.. nobody has said anything that I personally would consider overboard but there will be no black/white favortism discussions here. Take it to a politics board or something..

Thanks