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Roy Williams penalty voted IN
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The so-called "horse-collar" tackle, which came under heavy scrutiny from the NFL's powerful competition committee after Dallas Cowboys safety Roy Williams injured four players with the maneuver in 2004, was banned by the league on Tuesday.
Owners voted 27-5 to enact sanctions against the tackle. The dissenting votes were cast by Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, New England and New Orleans. Players who use the horse-collar tackle will now be penalized 15 yards, and could be fined, as well.
"I really hate the fact that the rule is kind of being named for one player," said Atlanta Falcons team president Rich McKay, co-chairman of the competition committee. "Roy Williams is a good player and, according to the rules that existed (in 2004), he didn't do anything that was illegal. We try not to punish one player, but rather to address the future of that kind of tackle. And, as a committee, we were nervous about it."
Essentially, the horse-collar tackle was one in which a defender grabbed the inside back of a player's shoulder pads and then yanked him down from behind. The competition committee, in reviewing videotapes from last season, concluded the horse-collar tackle resulted in six serious injuries. Williams was the perpetrator in four major incidents, the most notable of which sidelined Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens for the final two games of the regular season and the first two playoff contests.
Williams could not be reached on Tuesday, but last week, in discussing the possible sanctions, termed the rule "crazy."
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones voted against the change, saying he was concerned about ambiguities in the new rule. A 15-yard penalty will be called only if the tackle immediately brings the ball carrier down, and only if he's in open field.
"I'd rather it had been a fine and it not gotten to the penalty phase," Jones told The Associated Press.
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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!!!!! He was the last line of Defense. This was the only way for him to get the guy down. This is football. Injurys happen. They need to realize this and quit pampering these guys. They get paid to much for that. Next thing you know they'll be playing flag or touch football. Man give me a break!!!!
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this is turning into Air Force flag football. Pansy horse crap...no pun intended.
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I'm all for the new rule...what Roy Williams did to T.O. was not a tackle. You can still make a legit tackle from behind...grab a leg, an arm...almost anything would be better than a shoulderpad. The fact that a SINGLE PLAYER using a SINGLE MOVE injured FOUR PLAYERS should say something...that the "tackle" is not safe, and therefore should not be legal. Yes, football is a rough sport, and people are going to get hurt...but what Roy Williams does just isn't "tackling".
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Since when. I've seen much worst hits then that. When I played it was get him down anyway u can. I would have done the same thing. This is a mans sport. If u want a sport without much contact play Baseball.
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I'm all for the new rule...what Roy Williams did to T.O. was not a tackle. You can still make a legit tackle from behind...grab a leg, an arm...almost anything would be better than a shoulderpad. The fact that a SINGLE PLAYER using a SINGLE MOVE injured FOUR PLAYERS should say something...that the "tackle" is not safe, and therefore should not be legal. Yes, football is a rough sport, and people are going to get hurt...but what Roy Williams does just isn't "tackling".
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You should state a disclaimer that you are a TO fanboy so the fact that he got hurt makes you extremely Biased... which in all truth is the whole reason the NFL is making this rule. Not because players got hurt... because "TO" got hurt..
Cut blocks aren't safe and they injure more than 4 people a year, yet nothing is being done about them.. And you've obviously never played football if you think its that easy to grab a arm or a leg from behind when someone is running away from you. I guarantee you that once again yardage AND scoring will go up again which is in truth what its all about the NFL wants the offense to score more.. SCREW the defense.
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What Roy williams did was perfectly legal when he did it and if TO wasn't such a ***** as to Run sideways across the field to get away from Roy then Roy would not have tackled him from behind he could have knocked his eyeballs out the back of his head from the front.. but now defenders will just run away from the hardest hitters in the game even if it means not running towards the endzone.. its gonna happen... TO started a new trend...
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What is it then if its not tackling?
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id just like to say...Tyrone Calico got injured on one of these plays..Kept him out pretty much all year...it was by Roy Williams in the Pre...Yet i really dont mind, cos what he did is a perfectly legal tackle...if i had to vote...i would 100% keep those tackles in, and 100% get rid of cut blocks.
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The best way to get a guy from behind and make sure he goes down is to grap him by the back of the shoulder pads, period. Like Roy said its just instinct. You are not going to try to grab and arm that is swinging back and forth or legs that are runing, you are going to grab the back of the pads, thats the easiest place to get a good hold.
The rule that should have been put in place was that offensive players shouldnt be such ******* and try to run away from players like Roy. They should have to take them up head on head and try to break the tackle.
This is the 6th Cowboy to have a rule put in place in thier name. But the league is not biased against them.
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You should state a disclaimer that you are a TO fanboy so the fact that he got hurt makes you extremely Biased...
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Yes...I should have said that. I am a biased T.O. fan. But, most of you are Cowboys fans, so I guess that evens the playing field?
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Absolutely right. They should be banned too.
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And you've obviously never played football if you think its that easy to grab a arm or a leg from behind when someone is running away from you.
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No, I have played football...actually I still do. And no, it isn't easy...the easy thing is to grab the shoulder pad. But grabbing the shoulder pad is just as bad as grabbing the facemask, and that's illegal...so why shouldn't shoulder pad grabbing illegal?
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I guarantee you that once again yardage AND scoring will go up again which is in truth what its all about the NFL wants the offense to score more.. SCREW the defense.
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Right again...and sadly, that may be the reason that the NFL is enforcing the rule. But I agree with the decision, not because of T.O., but because he injured 4 different players over the course of 1 year with the same move.
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What Roy williams did was perfectly legal when he did it and if TO wasn't such a ***** as to Run sideways across the field to get away from Roy then Roy would not have tackled him from behind he could have knocked his eyeballs out the back of his head from the front
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Can't blame him for trying to avoid Roy...but how many WRs do you know that would try to run towards a safety? The object is to get by him, not get killed...
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I guess, technically, it is tackling. But for such a feared guy who is regarded as one of the top defenders in the league, he should be able to do better than yank a guy down by his shoulderpad.
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The best way to get a guy from behind and make sure he goes down is to grap him by the back of the shoulder pads, period. Like Roy said its just instinct. You are not going to try to grab and arm that is swinging back and forth or legs that are runing, you are going to grab the back of the pads, thats the easiest place to get a good hold.
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Don't disagree with anything here...it is easier to grab a shoulderpad. But when you have 200+ pounds of pure muscle and run like a 4.5 40, you should be able to make a clean, legit tackle.
With all that being said, I don't blame Roy for what he did. At the time it was perfectly legal. Its instinct...get him down any way you can. But unfortunately, his techniques are seriously injuring NFL players...not just T.O., but others as well. Tyrone Calico had his season ended by the horse-collar tackle. Jamal Lewis had his ankle sprained, and Musa Smith fractured his tibia. And its not only Roy Williams, either. Hannibal Naives broke Steve Smith's ankle, ending his season, using the horse collar move.
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If im on the field, and im chasing a guy from behind and i have to tackle him and all ive got to reach is his foot arm or shoulder pad, you better damn well believe im going for the shoulder pad. Ive been tackled like that before, and it is no where near as bad as getting tackled by the facemask. There is no comparison whatsoever between the two either. Stupid Stupid rule. Do you think they would have made the rule if TO didnt get hurt.....NO. Noone said a damn thing about this tackle until mr crybaby got hurt on it. Didnt hear any other teams asking for the ban immediately. Yea Calico got hurt by the same tackle too but I never heard anyone say lets ban that tackle after he got hurt. Competition committee needs to quit sucking the offense behinds and let the teams play
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But grabbing the shoulder pad is just as bad as grabbing the facemask, and that's illegal...so why shouldn't shoulder pad grabbing illegal?
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Sorry but this is The dumbest thing I've heard in a while.. grabbing the facemask can break necks, paralyze and kill people ...... If someone grabs you facemask and yanks you can be killed...
If someone grabs the back of your shoudler pads and instead of fighting it, you just went down, you would not get hurt..
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