I may be a bit biased seeing how I am a die-hard Packers fan but I am going to say Favre over Marino. They aren't too far apart in the stat categories and Favre does have the Superbowl ring. (and he went twice to Marino's once). I am also going to say Favre historically has played behind a weaker O-line than Marino.
What does everyone else think?
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I think it takes a team to win a SB ring. So it doesn't matter near as much to me who has one in terms of individual performances.
And judging on that alone. I'd give it to Marino.
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I might have to go with Marve on this one...seriously though I'll go with either of ironmen but if I had to pick one have to be Favre with the rocket arm.
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You still need a team for the individual accomplishments as well though. Quite honestly you need the team for everything lol.
I'm glad we agree then... SB rings don't mean a whole lot for comparisons of individuals.
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I think I'd have to go with Favre on this. While there is the arguement that Marino was much less of a gunslinger and risk taker, I think Favre is just a better team player and of course, his arm strength is amazing.
Favre had many more interceptions in his career, but at the end of the day, he won you games with his ability more than Marino did. In my opinion that is.
Dan is the man in my book... He didnt sit on the sideline with a towel over his head and cry like a little girl... The come from behind victories... Second year in the league made it to the SB to loose against a then young Montana... Not only his accomplishments but his character got my vote...
Right now its pretty close.. but by the time Favre Retires.. as much as I hate the guy for being the whiney punk he is.. I think he will have had the better career overall and will stand out to me as the better QB.
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According to various sites (Packers.com for Favre, a number of different sites for Marino) Dan Marino (37) only has one more fourth quarter comeback than Favre (36).
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I think it takes a team to win a SB ring. So it doesn't matter near as much to me who has one in terms of individual performances.
And judging on that alone. I'd give it to Marino.
Favre enters his 16th season as a starter (including his first season as a Packer)...Marino played 17. I will start off with the fact that Favre is a durable as you can get, bearing countless injuries to lead the team...202 quarterbacks have started a game since he made his first start in September of 1992.
Favre will undoubtedly break all of these records this season...the only one in question is the "Most Passing Yards". He has surpassed that number in each of the last three seasons, but it will be close.
Also, Favre's completion percentage (61.1%) leads those QBs with more than 6,000 attempts...Marino (59.4%)...Elway (56.9%).
He has also broken Marino's records for most seasons with 3,000 or more yards (15-13), consecutive seasons with 3,000+ (15-9), and seasons with 4,000 or more yards (4-3). Not to mention holding the record for most 30+ TDs in a season (8-4).
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Marino will always be a top 5 QB but when Favre breaks almost all his records then will Marino be better then Favre??? Plus Favre went to the Superbowl two times in a row and won it once well Marino led his team there once in his second year as a started which is hard but he never got back there.
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Yeah... And I really don't think Favre is going to have a stellar year. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he throws more INT's than TD's.
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I'm going to have to say Marino on this one. He didn't win a ring, but let's not forget the guys Favre had around him during his only SB title. Marino's team wasn't all that talented and that's why he didn't get any SB's. At least give him credit for not jumping ship late in his career trying to go to a winner like a lot of aging QB's do. Sure Favre has won the Packers a lot of games with his gunslinging ability and risk-taking, but how many losses has he been directly responsible for compared to Marino?
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True, that would probably be a "lie by omission" on my part. I noticed it and didn't include it. Though I believe this also shows the durability of Favre.
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I think durability at the QB posisition is pretty important. Most offensive coordinators like to have a durable QB, because they can help build a gameplan to suit the strengths of that quarterback. If a QB is injured too often, it's difficult to help bring out the strengths of that quarterback.
A great example of this is how the Colts run their offense using Peyton Manning's ability to read defenses exceptionally well. He'll go to the line of scrimmage and call out one of three plays given to him by the coordinator.
This is all kind of mute anyways cause P. Manning is going to SMASH all the records... If they both make it into the Hall then it really doesnt matter...
I think durability at the QB posisition is pretty important. Most offensive coordinators like to have a durable QB, because they can help build a gameplan to suit the strengths of that quarterback. If a QB is injured too often, it's difficult to help bring out the strengths of that quarterback.
But we aren't talking about Manning in this thread. We're talking about Favre and Marino and my comment about durabilty not being as important was used as an arguement when comparing the two ....
ST tried to point out that Favre is more durable ....
Basically I'm trying to say you can't knock Marino for missing 15 or so more games than Favre in a 17 season career ..... That's not a stat that shoudl be used when judging the two ...
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Marino's got all the records, but when Farve FINALLY retires... He'll be able to say he's got a ring.
If it was a gold medal and the two competed in the Olympics INDIVIDUALLY ... then I'd say your right ...
Since this is football and it's a team sport ... then I say ... to me that doesn't matter ....
Brady has 3 to Peyton's one .... Who's a better QB? Although many people make arguements for both I don't think that its hard to see who the better QB really is ....
Kurt Warner has a ring ... he must be better than Marino ...
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Marino was quite a durable player in his career as well. No QB can be faulted because they haven't had a 200+ consecutive games streak lol. I am glad to see people actually posting smart thought out comments here. Most message boards I would visit in the past were full of morons lol.
I still say Favre > Marino though.
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Oh, I agree with you, Rick. I don't think durability should be the primary thing to compare two quarterbacks careers by, but I do think it should count. Peyton Manning was just an example too. Favre had an offense in place around him for a long time that worked well to suit some of his stronger points, such as throwing the deep ball.
So, no, it shouldn't be a key deciding point, but when we're talking about two QB's with about equal stats in their careers, I think it gives Favre and edge. Plus the Super Bowl ring doesn't hurt either.
Like I said before ... I don't think that playing 15 or so more games than Marino makes Favre a better QB. Is it a great feat that Favre has accomplished? Yes ...... I think that's a feat in it's own but when being compared against the games Elite like Marino, Young, Aikman, Elway, etc. that particular stat doesn't really play a role ... At least in my opinion ..
As for your Super Bowl ring comment ... I commented on this before ... As disappointed as I was for Marino retiring without a ring ... That had to do with the team that was placed around him ... I don't think that's a reflection of Marino's skills ..... All we can do is speculate .... But having one SB ring over Marino doesn't make him better in my eyes either ....
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Well on the whole team aspect, favre didn't loose a game where he threw 5 touchdowns did he??? I know marino did a couple of times. I have to go with marino.
Just came to me ... Doesn't Favre have a bit of an edge from playing in Lambeau field where the weather (cold) has always helped him. Almost like Brady being used to playing in cold weather has always helped them at home vs teams used to playing in domes or warmer environments.
Essentially QB's like Brady and Favre who are so used to playing in real cold weather that they can play almost anywhere ... Being in warmer environments doesn't bother them ... and extreme cold weather is second nature to them ...
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