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Addai or Bush

who will be better

Addainly rookie rb with 1000 yards and on a championship team
Bush:great speed and agility but splits time with mcallister

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I really like Addai. I think he will be an excellent running back.

I just don't see him being the overall contributor that Bush will end up being.
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They are both going to be great backs but i think bush will do better this season the colts just arent gone get chances to get the run the ball they have no defence that means lots of passing.And bush is just more talented and in the nfc.
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I think Addai will have a better season, I still think he should have had ROTY over Vince Young last year.
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Bush > Addai. Addai just has the advantage of being on a great offensive team.
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Yea im gonna have to go with Bush... with the loss and of Horn he'll be even more involved in the passing game and he's been working on his inside rushing.
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im taking Bush cause I dont think Addai is a good running back. Bush can do so many dfferent things which make him better
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The are both over rated in my opinion.. but no surprise a Colts Fan thinks Addi is better
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I dont even know why this is a question. Addai is good, but he cant touch Bush in terms of all the ways he can impact a game or even a play.
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then why did addai have twice as many rushing yards as bush
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Beacause he didn't have a guy named Deuce McAllister on his team. And because the Saints know how many different ways they can use bush so he goes out and does a lot of different things when he's on the field.
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then why did addai have twice as many rushing yards as bush
Maybe because Bush had about 70 less carries than Addai.

How about this question - how come even though Addai got more touches than Bush, why do the have basically the same amount of total yardage?
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Being A Colts fan you'd think I'd go with Addai but HONESTLY I think Bush will turn out to be a better back. Everytime you put the ball in his hands he has a huge chance just to burn you down field, he's just so fast

And the reason Addai did so well was that the Colts offense was similar too the one he played in College...Bush had to learn, but I think he getting the hang out it
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Bush.

Addai did well, and is a decent back, with a decent future. Bush is just more athletic, and much more of an all around threat. He just needs to follow his blocks slightly more, instead of constant cut backs, needs a little more patience, and he wont get tackled for a loss as much (I think he was the most tackled for a loss, or close to) and hence bump his production..
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hey mastervolume we had a guy named rhodes 2
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Ok but by no stretch of the imagination will I be comparing Dominic Rhodes to Deuce McAllister anytime soon. Plus Addai had 40 more carries then Rhodes something Bush would never of had a chance of doing over McAllister.
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Bush is in just another level then Addai,Addai is good but compare him to what Bush does when he runs the ball, catches and even return kicks all for TDs you just cant compare the two Reggie Bush is Better
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Addai is good.
Bush is better.

He's quicker and has more ability that Addai. I think both will be great backs as they are in great situations, but based on talent alone, I'd pick Bush.
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Bush > Addai. Addai just has the advantage of being on a great offensive team.
Actually the Saints were a great offensive team in thier own right. Im too lazy to look it up but I believe they had the #1 passing offense in terms of yardage.

Addai will put up tremendous numbers in the Colts offense. As he showed in the playoffs he has already become a primary target for Manning.

Bush will get more carries this season but his ability to catch the ball and create is what makes him so dangerous in my opinion.
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226 rushes-1081 yards, 7 TDs, 4.8 avg
40 rececptions-325 yards, 1 TD, 8.1 avg

Total touches=266

Reggie Bush
155 rushes-565 yards, 6 TDs, 3.6 avg
88 receptions-742 yards, 2 TDs, 8.4 avg

Total touches=253

Thats only 13 less that Addai.

Net Yards:
Addai: 1081+325 = 1406
Bush: 565+742 = 1307

When you factor in the 13 less touches that Bush had and when taken into consideration that Bush ran with the ball on 0.6378 of his touches, then factoring in his 3.6 ypc average.

0.6378 x 13 = 8.2914

8.2914 x 3.6 = 29.849 yards added on from rushing

bush got receptions on 0.3622 of his total touches

0.3622 x 13 = 4.7086

4.7086 x 8.4 = 39.55224 yards added on from receiving

so bush's total yards would be roughly 1307 + 39.55224 + 29.849 = 1376.40124 which is LESS than Addai's 1406. The key contributor here is that Bush had a terrible YPC statistic. Also, when you factor in how rushing tends to gain less yards than receiving, it more than makes up for the fact Bush can return punts. I believe Addai is more valuable as a HB than Reggie Bush is.
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Right you are, Bush didn't have a very good YPC his rookie year, and Addai's was much better. Tell me, which line would you have had more success behind, the Colts' star-studded line or the average Saints line? I think that Addai is a better RB right now and may be a better fantasy RB this year, but ultimately Bush with his immense talent will be better.
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Right you are, Bush didn't have a very good YPC his rookie year, and Addai's was much better. Tell me, which line would you have had more success behind, the Colts' star-studded line or the average Saints line? I think that Addai is a better RB right now and may be a better fantasy RB this year, but ultimately Bush with his immense talent will be better.
I thought someone would bring this up. First of all, the colts dont have THAT great of Guards, which are the main blockers in running games. And if the Saints have such a bad line, then how come mcallister averaged 4.3 ypc (0.7 more than Reggie Bush averaged, translating to about a 20% more gain per rush).
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Same reason everyone was drinking Edge's koolaid. PEYTON MANNING. When you have the best QB in the league under center and you know your safeties have to stay back otherwise he's absolutely going to pick you apart, it really opens up the run game. You can throw numbers at me all you want, but if you really think that the 30 yards that you figured the difference at makes Addai a better back, you are nuts. When Peyton gets back there and starts calling signals that run game is opened up so damn much. Don't throw any Brees stats at me either, because I am telling you Peyton is THAT good.
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You forgot Bushs return yards...
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"Also, when you factor in how rushing tends to gain less yards than receiving, it more than makes up for the fact Bush can return punts. I believe Addai is more valuable as a HB than Reggie Bush is."
I mentions returning Chaos^


Also, call me crazy, but arent running backs supposed to.. Well, run, Bush isnt that great at doing that, I think hes too one-sided. (considering just about all the rookie HBs had a better ypc than him... Norwood, Washington, Addai, Maroney, DeAngelo, MoJo, and LenDale White)

And ItalianStallion, your proving my point. With Peyton Addai is better, the initial question was who will be better, and as long as Addai has Peyton, then Addai will always be better than Reggie.
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When I have seen him, Addai runs a fair bit off tackle, which is where the strength of the Colts Oline lies...

That being said, I think the reason for Bush having a low YPC is a lack of patience, waiting for the blocks to develop.

Bush is the better back, because he is quicker, more elusive, and a better catcher of the ball.

Addai is good, Bush is, and will be, better.
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Yeah you mentioned it, but you didnt factor in the yards Bush gave his team on returns... At least I read it 3 times and cant see where you gave Bushes numbers on returns.
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And ItalianStallion, your proving my point. With Peyton Addai is better, the initial question was who will be better, and as long as Addai has Peyton, then Addai will always be better than Reggie.
Ok then. Give me Addai with Peyton.

Give me Trent Dilfer and the Ravens defense over Drew Brees.

Give me the Colts defense over every other defense because they do the best when they have that offense.

That doesn't make any sense at all. We're talking skills wise, who is the best back. You can't just say one guy is better because he has better players on his team.
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