War...

[Tigam]

Well... Not going to give into terrorists... So... What do you say the "rest of the world?"

Going to sit back and talk, or do something?

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Hizbollah, which claims links to the Lebanese group of the same name, said on Tuesday it stood ready to attack Israeli and U.S. interests worldwide.

"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year," said Iranian Hizbollah's spokesman Mojtaba Bigdeli, speaking by telephone from the central seminary city of Qom.

"They have been trained and they can become fully armed. We are ready to dispatch them to every corner of the world to jeopardise Israel and America's interests. We are only waiting for the Supreme Leader's green light to take action. If America wants to ignite World War Three ... we welcome it," he said.

Iranian religious organisations have made great public show of recruiting volunteers for "martyrdom-seeking operations" in recent years, usually threatening U.S. interests in case of any attack against the Islamic Republic's nuclear programme.



But there is no record of an Iranian volunteer from these recruitment campaigns taking part in an attack.

Iran's Hizbollah (Party of God) says it is spiritually bound to Shi'ite Muslim guerrillas in Lebanon but its command structure and funding are unclear.

Despite Iranian Hizbollah's insistence that it takes orders from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, government ministries say Hizbollah does not implement official policy. Iran's government has said it hopes for a diplomatic solution to the Israeli offensive in Lebanon.

While Iran did fund and support Lebanese Hizbollah during the 1980s, Tehran says it has not contributed troops or weapons in the latest violence. Israel says Iranian armaments have been fired against it.

[TheBillster]

Yeah, not giving in terrorists is good. I agree totaly. And these guys look like terrorists. So, fight them if you want.

But dont forget that not every muslim of this 1.7 billion humans group is a terrorist. Not even 1% of them.

[SlickRick1382]

Was any of this really a suprise ... I mean did anyone except something else from them?

[Tigam]

Originally Posted by TheBillster

Yeah, not giving in terrorists is good. I agree totaly. And these guys look like terrorists. So, fight them if you want.

Remember that thread where I said that you, meaning the rest of the world, would have to join in against terrorism or it wouldn't go away... Did you agree with that? Because I was hoping *we* would fight them.

Perhaps you don't have to do it through war, hell sit back and relax if it's not something your country feels it should do... How about helping changing the economic structure that creates that environment? You do believe that it is mostly environment that creates terrorists don't you?

But dont forget that not every muslim of this 1.7 billion humans group is a terrorist. Not even 1% of them.

I don't recall ever saying any Muslim was, let alone all of them.

[Tigam]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1382

Was any of this really a suprise ... I mean did anyone except something else from them?

Hizbollah? No... Not really. Nor the US's, Israel's or European's.

[TheBillster]

Originally Posted by Tigam

Remember that thread where I said that you, meaning the rest of the world, would have to join in against terrorism or it wouldn't go away... Did you agree with that? Because I was hoping *we* would fight them.

I think the nations of the world are seeing terrorism as a problem, but they have different opinions of how to solve it. Your president said something great to the media very early after 11th September, maybe mid October 2001 or so. I have tried to quote it in my own 'better world' thread, and what he said was something like this:

"If we want to have a safer world, we need to get a better world".

That speech to the media and world really impressed me.

But now, almost 5 year later, iam a little bit dissapointed and disillusioned.
Did he really backup up his visions for a better world in the past 5 years by his activities?
Maybe partly, but i expected more. Especially more dialog and converation between the different cultures of the world. I thought the UN and the US will try to close the gap between the rich and the poor of the world a little bit, but i dont see big efforts in this area. This blame goes to the UN as well.


But Bush sounded like a man with great visions in 2001 and now i dont see much of improvement, no dialog started from the US to come closer to the arabic world or the poor countries of the world. Bush made wars, some say even nesseccary wars, but a lot of persons in Europe and all over the world simply expected more. I feel like it was a wasted opportunity for a new start of dialog and understanding for each other.

The world is not safer now, it could have been safer if the US had tried to gain more friends, but instead of that even old friends like France, Turkey, Germany and many others are questioning the intention of the US.
Millions of people in this countries ask themselves if the US really wants to 'free the people' of poor nations and establish new and better system there and give them a future or are they just trying to eliminate one self-chosen enemy after the other?
If this campain against terror is combined with a try of more dialog and understanding for each other Europe (and me) will help the US in every way we can. But as long as we see and feel that the US is too much reliying on their military and not seems to be very interested for the dialog with the non-US world, we wont be big supporters of the US strategy of fighting terror.

Perhaps you don't have to do it through war, hell sit back and relax if it's not something your country feels it should do... How about helping changing the economic structure that creates that environment? You do believe that it is mostly environment that creates terrorists don't you?

Exaxtly. Yeah i beleive in that.

The best way of fighting terror is not fighting them with weapons. Terror and Terrorists has no home, no land. We all agree that fighting one nation is only getting the result of an growing terrorist army cause even the average guy in the attacked country starts to see the US as an enemy.

The best, but longest, way of fighting terror is to make the environment better for the poeple in the poor countries of the world. If the western world is able to help the 'poor world' by and reducing the suffering, poverty and give them hope for a better life, then terror wil automatically lose its supporters. I have absolutely no doubt sbout that. One reason humans kill is cause they are not happy with their lifes. Humans who are happy with their lifes have one reason less to fight. One BIG reason.
This way of ending terror will need time, patience, tons of money, dialog, helping and understanding each other, but iam sure, it will work. Then the world will be safer. And the Terrorists wont tear apart the world till all this is achieved, so there is still time, but it has to start now.

[titansrule]

Personally speaking Billster, I cant begin to fathom what your logic is in criticising the US's approach to terrosim.

You say you are disappointed with their approach.

What is Germany's approach?

I dont think the approach has been flawless, but I would take that approach over doing sweet **** all any day...

What I really wonder is, where would we be, in this war against terror, if the US and to some extent, the UK, didnt exist?

You criticis America for being the "World Police". By the sounds of it, they friggin well need to be. Someone needs to kick the developed world up the *** and say "We need to get something done."

Make more friends? France? Im I missing something as to why they make a difference to anything? Why ally with those who wont do something? What do you suggest, brown nose and sit around a table saying, "This terror thing is a pain, lets talk some more about it."

I just dont like the way you have criticised the only people doing that. Fair play if Germany were doing something too. But I havent seen it. And until then, personally I think you need to get down off your high horse and congratulate the US for doing SOMETHING, even if its not the perfect solution, its better than NOTHING.

By the time the Germans and French and co have thought of a solution, there will have been many many more attacks, killing more of the people of the developed world.

But what do I know..right?
--------------- Madden 2007 Next Gen football ---------
When I say doing that, I mean doing something..not nothing.

[cashpath]

but instead of that even old friends like France, Turkey, Germany and many others are questioning the intention of the US

With friends like that who needs enemies?

[Chaos6]

"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year," said Iranian Hizbollah's spokesman Mojtaba Bigdeli, speaking by telephone from the central seminary city of Qom.

"They have been trained and they can become fully armed. We are ready to dispatch them to every corner of the world to jeopardise Israel and America's interests. We are only waiting for the Supreme Leader's green light to take action. If America wants to ignite World War Three ... we welcome it," he said.

I'm really struggling with this. Am I supposed to be scared of 2000 incompetent Hizbollah troops? 2000 Troops are going to be WWIII? WTF. We could handle those 2000 troops with 20 US Marines.

Fly a jet over them, drop a couple bombs and move on to bigger things.

[SlickRick1382]

Its not Billsters fault though.... the media all over Europe is very Anti-American and easily create a resentment for our nation.

I know this because I'm Portuguese and I see the news coverage they get when I go on vacation not to mention the jealousy and hatred I get viewed with by certain people (ignorant people in my opinon) not because I'm American, since I'm not, but because I live there.

Its really absurd though because alot of it is attributed to jealousy and envy more than anything else. They try to say we as a nation are arrogant, etc, but in actuality they are jealous of the lifestyle we lead.

[Tigam]

Originally Posted by titansrule

Personally speaking Billster, I cant begin to fathom what your logic is in criticising the US's approach to terrosim.

You say you are disappointed with their approach.

What is Germany's approach?

I dont think the approach has been flawless, but I would take that approach over doing sweet **** all any day...

What I really wonder is, where would we be, in this war against terror, if the US and to some extent, the UK, didnt exist?

You criticis America for being the "World Police". By the sounds of it, they friggin well need to be. Someone needs to kick the developed world up the *** and say "We need to get something done."

Make more friends? France? Im I missing something as to why they make a difference to anything? Why ally with those who wont do something? What do you suggest, brown nose and sit around a table saying, "This terror thing is a pain, lets talk some more about it."

I just dont like the way you have criticised the only people doing that. Fair play if Germany were doing something too. But I havent seen it. And until then, personally I think you need to get down off your high horse and congratulate the US for doing SOMETHING, even if its not the perfect solution, its better than NOTHING.

By the time the Germans and French and co have thought of a solution, there will have been many many more attacks, killing more of the people of the developed world.

But what do I know..right?
--------------- Madden 2007 Next Gen football ---------
When I say doing that, I mean doing something..not nothing.

I could respond... But that pretty much sums up my stand on it. Not how I would have said some of it... But hey...