The UN. Basically the world made a decision. Now it's up to the world to either stick with a that decision, or come up with a new one.
Not the US unilaterally
The UN. Which the US is apart of. Any disagreements? Because I really want people to see what the UN is. Which is NOT something of the sum of it's parts. It's actually something less than any one of it's members.
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Well, In the beginning (Meaning the beginning of the time the US was around as any sort of power..) it was britain and france that controlled that region.. then britain basically did it all... they controlled and made rules on how many Jews could 'Imigrate' back into a land that they were run out of over the 1900 previous years to begin with.
After WW2 the US became partially involved because we were part of the UN.. but I would say 99% of the responsibility for giving land back to people whom it was stolen from in the first place should go on Britain.
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Ok, good. In my opinion, you're an idiot. Good thing I can't be wrong!
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Yep, was the UN under the leaderchip of its big influence members like Britain, France, US, Russia and even Germany.
That is all i said, the UN and its powerful nations caused this mess, now it is up to them to fix the problem. Almost nothing was done in 60 years since the late 1940's to come to an acceptable solution for all parties of the conflict. That is really poor.
And after knowing all the backgroud of the story, now tell the Palestine folks that the UN and the western world cares for them and wants to help them... The Palestine folks was let alone in a fight against powerful Israel and feel like this about the UN and western world:
But again, exactly scenerios like this is getting the islamic terrorists their support. People feel alone in conflicts and not supported or protected by the western world. Then they start to see the western world not as a help or a reliable friend, they see them as another enemy.
Like i said, if you want a better world, you need to get a juster world. For all parties, for all groups of human beings...
Later more...
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WTF are you talking about Billster the Palestine folks ran the Israely people out of the area first... The land was taken from them by force starting 2000 years ago.. It's not like they just left and said "We don't like it here anymore"...
Isreal is taking back what was thiers 2000 years ago and was taken from them...
And as I said before ... if you want to forget history then lets do that and just start today... and today, Isreal is there and they are being terrorized.. You decide.. you want to include history or forget it? You can't only include the part of it you want to.... Include it all or forget it all.. either way Israel is right...
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Book of Cash Chapter 2: Verse 11- Do not PM or IM me until you have exhausted every other way.
First off, an opinion cannot be wrong....its an OPINION
Ok, good. In my opinion, you're an idiot. Good thing I can't be wrong!
Timothy 2:12
Like i said, if you want a better world, you need to get a juster world. For all parties, for all groups of human beings...
Later more...
I'm listening.
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Extremists are like slinkys... Ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things... But still brings a smile to the face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
WTF are you talking about Billster the Palestine folks ran the Israely people out of the area first... The land was taken from them by force starting 2000 years ago.. It's not like they just left and said "We don't like it here anymore"...
Isreal is taking back what was thiers 2000 years ago and was taken from them...
And as I said before ... if you want to forget history then lets do that and just start today... and today, Isreal is there and they are being terrorized.. You decide.. you want to include history or forget it? You can't only include the part of it you want to.... Include it all or forget it all.. either way Israel is right...
Ok, one question
Your speaking of Palestinians.... They are muslims....
Isrealiansd left their territory 2000 years ago.... The muslim religion was founded 1500 years ago, after the Isrealis left.... So, the guys which forced the Jews to leave their land cant be this Palestine folks, cause they are muslims that emigrated during the last 1000 years to the left Jew territories out of Arabia.
Dont blame the Palestine folks for things they havent done. As they reached their new home lands, there wasnt much left of the jewish religion and culture already...
Iam listening.........
Dont mix up this historic folks of the Philisitians or however they were called with the arabic folks of the Palestine out of Arabia which arrived in former jewish territories 1000 years after the Jews left them.
And this is not changing my mind, the UN has to solve a self-made problem. There is still a problem and it has to be solved if the world should really get safer and better...
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Isrealians left their territory 2000 years ago.... The muslim religion was founded 1500 years ago, after the Isrealis left.... So, the guys which forced the Jews to leave their land cant be this Palestine folks, cause they are muslims that emigrated during the last 1000 years to the left Jew territories out of Arabia.
Meaning the muslium religion was founded 1500 years ago and not 1500 years after the Jews left their territories.
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PALESTINE is the historic name of the region..........
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I was under the impression that they were forced out... They didn't exactly leave.
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Yeah Billster you keep saying LEFT... That's not what happened.. they didn't pack up and say "I'm outa here this place is too hot"... They were forced out... after living there for a LONG LONG time..
And then you are saying "As they reached their new home lands"
Like they just moved in and said "Wow look at this place it is empty and looks like a nice place to live..." Sorry buddy it didin't work like that...
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According to the Bible, Moses led the Israelites, or a portion of them, out of Egypt. Under Joshua, they conquered the tribes and city states of Canaan. Based on biblical traditions, it is estimated that king David conquered Jerusalem about 1000 B.C. and established an Israelite kingdom over much of Canaan including parts of Transjordan. The kingdom was divided into Judea in the south and Israel in the north following the death of David's son, Solomon. Jerusalem remained the center of Jewish sovereignty and of Jewish worship whenever the Jews exercised sovereignty over the country in the subsequent period, up to the Jewish revolt in 133 AD.
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Roman rulers put down Jewish revolts in about A.D. 70 and A.D. 132. In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem.
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However, Jewish communities continued to exist in Galilee, the northernmost part of Palestine. Palestine was governed by the Roman Empire until the fourth century A.D. (300's) and then by the Byzantine Empire.
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During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's. The rulers allowed Christians and Jews to keep their religions. However, most of the local population gradually accepted Islam and the Arab-Islamic culture of their rulers. Jerusalem became holy to Muslims as the site where, according to tradition, Muhammed ascended to heaven after a miraculous overnight ride on his horse Al-Buraq. The al-Aqsa mosque was built on the site generally regarded as the area of the Jewish temples.
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The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years. Initially they were replaced by the Fatimid rulers of Egypt. The Fatimids took advantage of the Seljuk struggles with the Christian crusaders. They made an alliance with the crusaders in 1098 and captured Jerusalem, Jaffa and other parts of Palestine.
The Crusaders, however, broke the alliance and invaded Palestine about a year later. They captured Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1099, slaughtered many Jewish and Muslim defenders and forbade Jews to live in Jerusalem. They held the city until 1187. In that year, the Muslim ruler Saladin conquered Jerusalem. The Crusaders then held a smaller and smaller area along the coast of Palestine, under treaty with Saladin. However, they broke the treaty with Saladin and later treaties. Crusade after crusade tried unsuccessfully to recapture Jerusalem.
The crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.
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In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine. Arab-speaking Muslims made up most of Palestine's population. Beginning in the late 1300's, Jews from Spain and other Mediterranean lands settled in Jerusalem and other parts of the land. The Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine.
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In 1798, Napoleon entered the land. The war with Napoleon and subsequent misadministration by Egyptian and Ottoman rulers, reduced the population of Palestine. Arabs and Jews fled to safer and more prosperous lands. Revolts by Palestinian Arabs against Egyptian and Ottoman rule at this time may have helped to catalyze Palestinian national feeling. Subsequent reorganization and opening of the Turkish Empire to foreigners restored some order. They also allowed the beginnings of Jewish settlement under various Zionist and proto-Zionist movements
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Jews had never stopped coming BACK to "the Holy land" or Palestine in small numbers throughout the exile. Palestine also remained the center of Jewish worship and a part of Jewish culture. However, the Jewish connection with the land was mostly abstract and connected with dreams of messianic redemption.
So they were run out of thier land by the Roman empire... Then the Byzantines took it... Than the Muslim Arabs decided it looked good and took it... Then some arabs fought some arabs for it.. then Turkish RULE took it in 1517 and INVITED the Jews to move back in to a land that was thiers for a long time..
Then Napoleon AND france came along...
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During the siege of Acre in 1799, Napoleon prepared a proclamation declaring a Jewish state in Palestine, though he did not issue it. The siege was lost to the British, however, and the plan was never carried out.
France was going to LIBERATE Palestine again and give it BACK.. but they lost to the British.. and actually the area became an Area of both british and france rule both countries then over the next 200 years allowed the Jews to Imigrate BACK INTO a land that was orgininally thiers...
NOW... correct any of that which is wrong...
AND.. to say that you cannot blame the Palestine people who live there now for what happened 100's 1000's of years ago is fine... But then you can't blame the Israel people who live there now for what has happened over the last 200...
Who was there first??? Oh.. and there is a reason the US likes some countries and dislikes others... WTF would we help a bunch of ANTI-US people when we could help people who are PRO-US? The way I see it both the Israel people and the Palestine people have interest in the land.. they have both lived there.. and they don't get along...
Of course we (The US) is going to back the people who are our friends.. WTF would we back people who are against us?
If your friend got into a fight with someone who openly hated you, and your friend had some merritt to stand on in that fight meaning that he wasn't completely wrong... wouldn't you back your friend? I think so.. Sure you might say "break it up" but if your friend said "NO" what would you do help the guy that hates you to kick your frineds A$$... No.. I don't think so..
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First off, an opinion cannot be wrong....its an OPINION
Ok, good. In my opinion, you're an idiot. Good thing I can't be wrong!
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First of all, thanks for the work. This was really nice. Let me comment some passages.
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During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's. The rulers allowed Christians and Jews to keep their religions. However, most of the local population gradually accepted Islam and the Arab-Islamic culture of their rulers. Jerusalem became holy to Muslims as the site where, according to tradition, Muhammed ascended to heaven after a miraculous overnight ride on his horse Al-Buraq. The al-Aqsa mosque was built on the site generally regarded as the area of the Jewish temples.
Aha, so the 'bad muslims' werent bad to the Jews and Christians after conquering the land. Just wanted to point it out, cause it was still a time where human lifes didnt count for much and brutality by rulers was a legitimate way of 'ruling'... Iam not sure if everybody knows that.
And to make this aspect complete, here the next thing about who was bad and who was good:
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The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years. Initially they were replaced by the Fatimid rulers of Egypt. The Fatimids took advantage of the Seljuk struggles with the Christian crusaders. They made an alliance with the crusaders in 1098 and captured Jerusalem, Jaffa and other parts of Palestine.
The Crusaders, however, broke the alliance and invaded Palestine about a year later. They captured Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1099, slaughtered many Jewish and Muslim defenders and forbade Jews to live in Jerusalem. They held the city until 1187. In that year, the Muslim ruler Saladin conquered Jerusalem. The Crusaders then held a smaller and smaller area along the coast of Palestine, under treaty with Saladin. However, they broke the treaty with Saladin and later treaties. Crusade after crusade tried unsuccessfully to recapture Jerusalem.
So, it wasnt the muslim side breaking treatys... Especially not the legendary honorable muslim ruler Saladin who was a great friend of the human beings no matter of their origin... Dunno if everybody knows about him around here, Great man... And, a text-book muslim. Good muslims have to respect human beings, no matter where they are from or what there religion is. To compare it, Osama is NOT a good muslim.
And,
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In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine. Arab-speaking Muslims made up most of Palestine's population. Beginning in the late 1300's, Jews from Spain and other Mediterranean lands settled in Jerusalem and other parts of the land. The Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine.
Hear, hear...The 'bad muslims' helped Jews which wanted to escape from the Christians and invited them and even allowed them to settle down and find a new home in a muslim empire. Jews fleeing from Christians and getting help from Muslims... Isnt that strange?? Who knows about that incident around the members here?
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Who was there first??? Oh.. and there is a reason the US likes some countries and dislikes others... WTF would we help a bunch of ANTI-US people when we could help people who are PRO-US? The way I see it both the Israel people and the Palestine people have interest in the land.. they have both lived there.. and they don't get along...
I dont think that 'who was first there" is the important matter here. I only say that it is a fact that both nations can get a peaceful relationchip to each other for centuries now, especially not in the last 60 years. That is simply a fact. Both parties cant get the job done and reach an acceptable agreement for both. I say, this senseless conflict has to stop. If they cant get the job done to finish their war, the ''world' UN or whoever has to find a solution. And this has to be a balanced and fair solution for both parties. That is all iam saying. Both nations have the right of existance. Both nations have the right of beeing in this place they are living. BOTH!!
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Of course we (The US) is going to back the people who are our friends.. WTF would we back people who are against us?
Cause it would be a sign that the US is in a war against terror, not in a war against muslims...
But, iam speaking more of the UN, they have to do something to stop senseless violence and suffering of people of both nations.
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If your friend got into a fight with someone who openly hated you, and your friend had some merritt to stand on in that fight meaning that he wasn't completely wrong... wouldn't you back your friend? I think so.. Sure you might say "break it up" but if your friend said "NO" what would you do help the guy that hates you to kick your frineds A$$... No.. I don't think so..
I would try to find a good solution for the conflict and to prevent senseless use of violence. My friend will like it that i kept him from a fight where he could suffer badly things... and, who knows, maybe the other guy would stop hating me after seeing that iam also interested in stopping him of continuing a senseless fight and maybe get hurt or suffer some other things... Who knows....
I really think it is time to find solutions to stop this conflict, dont you think?
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Can a Mod pls take out the last passage of my post starting with this:
So they were run out of thier land by the Roman empire... Then the Byzantines took it... Than the Muslim Arabs decided it looked good and took it... Then some arabs fought some arabs for it.. then Turkish RULE took it in 1517 and INVITED the Jews to move back in to a land that was thiers for a long time..
Till my last quote of Cash?
__________________ What it means to be a Bill...said by Fred Smerlas...
I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform. Someone came up to me one day and said, 'Fred, no matter what you wear on the outside, you,ll always be a Buffalo Bill on the inside.'
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and what happens when both your friend and you enemy continuously refuse your cries for peace?
What do you do then...
Then your enemy is beating up you friend.... are you going to just walk away because they didn't listen?
I will do what my father always did in that moments, grabbing my ear and start to squezze it with his left hand and the ear of my 'enemy" with his right hand and telling us that we have to stop, It always worked out
__________________ What it means to be a Bill...said by Fred Smerlas...
I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform. Someone came up to me one day and said, 'Fred, no matter what you wear on the outside, you,ll always be a Buffalo Bill on the inside.'
I will do what my father always did in that moments, grabbing my ear and start to squezze it with his left hand and the ear of my 'enemy" with his right hand and telling us that we have to stop, It always worked out
Didn't work out on the Iraq/US war did it? Oh, that's right... Nobody did anything about that either. I still think people can't complain about something if they do nothing to change the situation.
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Can a Mod pls take out the last passage of my post starting with this:
So they were run out of thier land by the Roman empire... Then the Byzantines took it... Than the Muslim Arabs decided it looked good and took it... Then some arabs fought some arabs for it.. then Turkish RULE took it in 1517 and INVITED the Jews to move back in to a land that was thiers for a long time..
Till my last quote of Cash?
Why?
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Didn't work out on the Iraq/US war did it? Oh, that's right... Nobody did anything about that either. I still think people can't complain about something if they do nothing to change the situation.
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Why?
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Isnt it looking strange and confusing? I mean, i wanted to delete it but forgot it. It looks out of place a little bit. Speaking of the big passage of the text Cah wrote and that i havent quoted...
__________________ What it means to be a Bill...said by Fred Smerlas...
I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform. Someone came up to me one day and said, 'Fred, no matter what you wear on the outside, you,ll always be a Buffalo Bill on the inside.'
Funny Billster... you read everything I posted and then just took from it what benefitted your arguement..
Unlike me... I posted everything.. BOTH sides... The fact that both people have a point at this moment in time.. I posted it all.. and you picked out the parts that helped that which you beleive in..
Then you say..
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dont think that 'who was first there" is the important matter here.
That's funny considering you brought it up first...
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Originally Posted by billster
Dont mix up this historic folks of the Philisitians or however they were called with the arabic folks of the Palestine out of Arabia which arrived in former jewish territories 1000 years after the Jews left them.
Re-read my whole post and you will see that they never 'left' as you so politely put it...
Oh.. and this, I love this...
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Originally Posted by cashpath
If your friend got into a fight with someone who openly hated you, and your friend had some merritt to stand on in that fight meaning that he wasn't completely wrong... wouldn't you back your friend? I think so.. Sure you might say "break it up" but if your friend said "NO" what would you do help the guy that hates you to kick your frineds A$$... No.. I don't think so..
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I would try to find a good solution for the conflict and to prevent senseless use of violence. My friend will like it that i kept him from a fight where he could suffer badly things... and, who knows, maybe the other guy would stop hating me after seeing that iam also interested in stopping him of continuing a senseless fight and maybe get hurt or suffer some other things... Who knows....
Sounds like the answer the UN would give to that question.. how come you don't like the UN? You think just like the UN..!!
You plan on answering my whole question or just part of it..? I know you'll just answer the part that makes you sound like the peacemaker... Well... the only way to stop to people from fighting who won't stop is by FORCE... that's the opposite of Peace isn't it..??
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Cause it would be a sign that the US is in a war against terror, not in a war against muslims...
The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck buildings in Beirut housing U.S. and French members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon, killing hundreds of soldiers. The October 23, 1983, blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli invasion in 1982, and it is considered one of the first instances of suicide bombing.
On October 23, 1983, around 6:20 am, a yellow Mercedes-Benz delivery truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, under the U.S. 2nd Marine Division of the United States Marines, had set up its local headquarters. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the Marines' compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and barreled into the lobby of the Marine headquarters. The Marine sentries at the gate had loaded pistols but were not able to stop the driver even though they shot at him. According to one Marine, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.
The suicide bomber detonated his explosives, which were equivalent to 12,000 pounds (about 5,400kg) of TNT. The force of the explosion collapsed the four-story cinder-block building into rubble, crushing many inside.
About 20 seconds later, an identical attack occurred against the barracks of the French Third Company of the Sixth French Parachute Infantry Regiment. Another suicide bomber drove his truck down a ramp into the building's underground parking garage and detonated his bomb, leveling the headquarters.
Most (notably the U.S. government) believe the Hezbollah militant group, backed by Iran and Syria, was responsible for the bombings, as well as the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April of that year.
Must be a German thing to forget about the past... Us Americans tend to remember it... Looks like someone else is helping take care of our war on terror for us...
Lebanon and Palestine OBVIOUSLY didn't want our help then... So why should we help now??
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First off, an opinion cannot be wrong....its an OPINION
Ok, good. In my opinion, you're an idiot. Good thing I can't be wrong!
Timothy 2:12
If iam mistaken and it still looks understandable no changes needed
__________________ What it means to be a Bill...said by Fred Smerlas...
I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform. Someone came up to me one day and said, 'Fred, no matter what you wear on the outside, you,ll always be a Buffalo Bill on the inside.'
I will do what my father always did in that moments, grabbing my ear and start to squezze it with his left hand and the ear of my 'enemy" with his right hand and telling us that we have to stop, It always worked out.
Yeah well when Missiles and Guns are involved trying to grab ears doesn't work so well, No... you end up having to Kill a bunch of people and in the process you have to allow some of your people to DIE too... Now go re-read everything I have posted and Tell me why any AMERICAN would allow us to go there now and protect Lebanon or Palestine?
You want to see some Amercans protest our soldiers being used for the wrong 'policing' Man oh man this would be it....
We aren't the worlds police force... we are our own Police force... we don't just indescreminantly help everyone.. we remember the past.. we have allies and enemies just like every other country in the world....
Wow, I wasted my 10,000th post on this?? Damn.. that sucks
I fixed your post Billster
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First off, an opinion cannot be wrong....its an OPINION
Ok, good. In my opinion, you're an idiot. Good thing I can't be wrong!
Timothy 2:12
Funny Billster... you read everything I posted and then just took from it what benefitted your arguement..
Unlike me... I posted everything.. BOTH sides... The fact that both people have a point at this moment in time.. I posted it all.. and you picked out the parts that helped that which you beleive in..
Well, iam saying both sides have the right to be where they are living now, am I right?
I never say something against the Jews. Never. I just point out that the muslims werent the factor that forced the Jews out if their home. Arent you surprised how good the muslims were described in matters of character? They really did not force someone to leave his beloved home. In contrast to the christian Crusaders. No Jews in Jerusalem allowed, right? If i understood the text you quoted correctly the Romans and the Christians forced the Jews out of their homes, and the Muslims were described noble and honorable, am I wrong?
I dont see anything wrong i wrote, i was fair to the Jewish side giving them the right to be in their holy lands, but the muslims have their rights to be there too...
Will answer the second part later. Have to read it properly.
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Yeah well when Missiles and Guns are involved trying to grab ears doesn't work so well, No... you end up having to Kill a bunch of people and in the process you have to allow some of your people to DIE too... Now go re-read everything I have posted and Tell me why any AMERICAN would allow us to go there now and protect Lebanon or Palestine?
You want to see some Amercans protest our soldiers being used for the wrong 'policing' Man oh man this would be it....
We aren't the worlds police force... we are our own Police force... we don't just indescreminantly help everyone.. we remember the past.. we have allies and enemies just like every other country in the world....
Wow, I wasted my 10,000th post on this?? Damn.. that sucks
I fixed your post Billster
Iam speaking of the UN mostly, not the US. Just said maybe it would be a good sign for the world peace if the US helps to find an acceptable solution for this conflict. But it is more a task for the UN.
I really dont get the point why it is such a damn bad thing to want peace for the world...
__________________ What it means to be a Bill...said by Fred Smerlas...
I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform. Someone came up to me one day and said, 'Fred, no matter what you wear on the outside, you,ll always be a Buffalo Bill on the inside.'
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Ok they both have a right to be there... WOW thats the Answer.. quick get on the phone call them up and tell them that... I guess they missed it...
I wasted all this time and you weren't even talking about the WAR that is going on you just wanted to point out that they both have a valid point...
I never said they don't BOTH have a valid point... But What does that have to do with the Price of tea in China? They obviously don't see eye to eye that they both have a valid point do they...
So is there something else you wanted to discuss? Or did you just want to say that they both have a valid point?
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First off, an opinion cannot be wrong....its an OPINION
Ok, good. In my opinion, you're an idiot. Good thing I can't be wrong!
Timothy 2:12
Ok they both have a right to be there... WOW thats the Answer.. quick get on the phone call them up and tell them that... I guess they missed it...
I wasted all this time and you weren't even talking about the WAR that is going on you just wanted to point out that they both have a valid point...
I never said they don't BOTH have a valid point... But What does that have to do with the Price of tea in China? They obviously don't see eye to eye that they both have a valid point do they...
So is there something else you wanted to discuss? Or did you just want to say that they both have a valid point?
I think that is exactly the point these two parties disagreeing with. Both say to the other side: "THIS IS OUR PLACE.GO!!!! Go or we will destroy you!!!".
I think if the 'World" can get both sides together and make them understand that both sides have a valid point of beeing in the 'holy lands", then the world would take a big step forwards to a peaceful time.
Both sides arent accepting the other sides valid point, that is the problem. Both sides are seeing the other sides as intruders, as enemies. If nothing will be done, there never ever will be peace at middle east. Isnt a big step towards a safer world a honorable reason to help these two groups to finish their problems?
I think it definetely is...
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You forgot to mention that they are both willing to die and/or kill for each of their points Cash... People like that are a little hard to talk to...
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Well, and if i see your reaction now iam really dissapointed to have wasted my posts 1600 to 1609 to this topic. Sad...
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I think that is exactly the point these two parties disagreeing with. Both say to the other side: "THIS IS OUR PLACE.GO!!!! Go or we will destroy you!!!".
I think if the 'World" can get both sides together and make them understand that both sides have a valid point of beeing in the 'holy lands", then the world would take a big step forwards to a peaceful time.
Both sides arent accepting the other sides valid point, that is the problem. Both sides are seeing the other sides as intruders, as enemies. If nothing will be done, there never ever will be peace at middle east. Isnt a big step towards a safer world a honorable reason to help these two groups to finish their problems?
I think it definetely is...
And how do we do that exactly? Because I know the UN pretty much says that, over and over and over... Doesn't seem to work all that well. How can I, the UN, or any other country be responsible for someone else's lack of rationality?
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And how do we do that exactly? Because I know the UN pretty much says that, over and over and over... Doesn't seem to work all that well. How can I, the UN, or any other country be responsible for someone else's lack of rationality?
Yeah, good point indeed.........
At least some persons here might have learned that it werent the Muslims who forced the Jews to leave their home long ago... Yeah, what a poor bottom line, but...
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STOP FIGHTING.. DROP YOUR GUNS AND HUG EACH OTHER!!!
There I did my part.... Should do just as much good as anyone else in the world saying it without the threat of FORCE and Violence to back it up..
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At least some persons here might have learned that it werent the Muslims who forced the Jews to leave their home long ago... Yeah, what a poor bottom line, but...
Now if only you could get SOME PERSONS here to care.. now that would be something..
Oh and where do I say the word Muslim??
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the Palestine folks ran the Israely people out
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Tigam, may i ask you what your intention was when posting this topic?
Cash, i think i got everything you told me. And i think you understood what i was writing about.
I even think most of the persons on Maddenboard didnt know about the history of Isreal/Palestine in detail and your quotes helped a little bit to understand the conflicts background better.
Something i dont understand is what happened to the Muslims during the last couple of centuries. Look how nice they were described for the past in your quotes and how they are now. Sometimes that is embarrassing me.
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I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform. Someone came up to me one day and said, 'Fred, no matter what you wear on the outside, you,ll always be a Buffalo Bill on the inside.'
WAR takes it's toll on people and changes them... I also think at one point the Muslims were VERY POWERFUL in the world they knew... When you are no longer so powerful and used to be it makes you not so nice..
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Sorry Tigam, i meant not directly this post. I was asking more for the Isreal-Palestine war posts. Thew reason for this post is clear to me.
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WAR takes it's toll on people and changes them... I also think at one point the Muslims were VERY POWERFUL in the world they knew... When you are no longer so powerful and used to be it makes you not so nice..
I think i can agree to that. But here you could see how true Muslims have to be, they have to be friends of humans and life has to be holy for them. A true Muslim is a great person to be. Sad that some groups of Muslims lost that honorable attitude...
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Ok, enough for today.
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The US should take sides with which ever side provides us with the most $$$ to help them out. Then we wouldnt be the world police, we would be the world mercenaries, as some people seem to think we are by going to Iraq only because of Oil.
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At least some persons here might have learned that it werent the Muslims who forced the Jews to leave their home long ago... Yeah, what a poor bottom line, but...
Well... I'm not one of them. But that really didn't answer the question. I'm sure you think, just like I do, that both sides aren't exactly being rational. I do however deal with the reality of the situation.
So again... If you have a solution that would work... I'm listening.
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Tigam, may i ask you what your intention was when posting this topic?
Current events... Something to discuss and get input on, and give it. I want people to make me question my stands. And in turn, I'll do the same for them in a mutual benefit. And even if that doesn't happen, I'll still take what I wanted from the conversation for mine.
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I think i can agree to that. But here you could see how true Muslims have to be, they have to be friends of humans and life has to be holy for them. A true Muslim is a great person to be. Sad that some groups of Muslims lost that honorable attitude...
<shrugs> I see that as religion in general. Throw Christians in there if you want, I don't mind.
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