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Yeah all they did was went around and took places for thier own and allowed the people who used to live there to still live there...

Hmmm..... I know another country that *could* do that right now.. would we be a GREAT Person to be in your mind? Just wondering..

In the time they lived usually everyone of the losing side of a battle got slaugthered or raped or ended up as slaves... They did nothing of it, cause they respected the humans and their way of life. Go and re-read how the Crusaders behaved as they were on their 'holy missions'.

No, cant say anything against the Muslims in that long period of time. Great persons of honor and respect, like Sultan Saladin. They behaved very different to the others in their time. That is a matter of fact, even if you cant beleive it. And they tried to be just to everyone, and not only to the people they like.
Iam so glad that some things could made clear here, it wast the muslim side "stealing" the lands of Jews, that blame goes to others...

And everyone could see clearly that both sides have their rights to be on Palestina. Iam sure most people here thought the Jews were the only side with a right to be there and that they are 120% right. No, they arent. They are 50% right with their own rights to be in Palestine, but 50% wrong with refusing to accept and give the same rights to the Palestine folks. Same to the Palestine, they are also 50:50.
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Well... I'm not one of them. But that really didn't answer the question. I'm sure you think, just like I do, that both sides aren't exactly being rational. I do however deal with the reality of the situation.

So again... If you have a solution that would work... I'm listening.

I heared today that the UN wants to sent about 10000 soliders with more authority and power as the previous lousy UN units there, which just had the job of watching all fights and to do nothing against them.

Nobody really tried to solve this problem in my eyes till today, maybe this UN mission will be successful now. At first bringing in peace, then allow the diplomats to make serious talks about the future of both nations and not just half-hearted attempts.
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Yeah... But here is the thing Billster... And I am pretty sure I can speak for Cash in saying this...

I'm not for or against Muslims. Just like I'm not for or against Christians. Would you like just the simple term of Terrorists? You're not getting anywhere in your stand... Because knowing myself and Cash... I don't care what their religion is. Read the "killer dogs" dogs thread.

While you on the other hand are championing something that nobody is really arguing against outside of a convenient label for a people. Again.. Ok, Christians did bad things too... Or worse... So? Means nothing to the stand itself. Rag on Christians, I don't care. But I won't do the same. Or if I have, please quote it.
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Yeah... But here is the thing Billster... And I am pretty sure I can speak for Cash in saying this...

I'm not for or against Muslims. Just like I'm not for or against Christians. Would you like just the simple term of Terrorists? You're not getting anywhere in your stand... Because knowing myself and Cash... I don't care what their religion is. Read the "killer dogs" dogs thread.

While you on the other hand are championing something that nobody is really arguing against outside of a convenient label for a people. Again.. Ok, Christians did bad things too... Or worse... So? Means nothing to the stand itself. Rag on Christians, I don't care. But I won't do the same. Or if I have, please quote it.

Just wanted to point it out how things were in the time period we are speaking of. I think it will give some persons a new point of view for this conflict. I think i know that nobody here really has something for or against another religion, but it was really important for me to show how this mess all started. Cashs history telling post was really nicve and useful.

We have now all the background informations and lots of arguments or opinions and so on, everyone reading the entire thread can make his own picture now on how the conflict developed and who did good and and who did not and so on. I think it was good work.
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