Abortion...

[Short]

I was about to type my stance on this whole thing, but then I read through the whole thread...and I guess it would be easier to just say that I completely agree with everything IS has said, 100%.

[Tigam]

Tigam, I think life begins at conception. Once it will become a human being, stillbirths aside, I think it is a life.

I agree... Life begins at conception. So? I have a couple billion cells on my body that are alive. They have life to give a greater meaning to the whole...... Me. I will happily cut off a clump of alive cells, that have life in and of itself, to better the whole. Why? No awareness. I disagree, still births are alive, or were.

I don't see a comparison to abortion and euthanasia, because in your example the person was already gone. In an abortion, the person is just getting there. Without their interference it's going to have that awareness that you say that makes a human a human. What gives them the right to stop it? Because it hasn't happened yet

Yes... In my example the person is already gone. However in my example a person hasn't shown up yet either. So I fail to see a difference. It hasn't happened yet, and until it does... I'm killing a group of living cells, like a cancer.

Feel free to disagree... But to challenge my stance you would have to convince me, or give me some other position I haven't thought of, as to why a fetus with no brain activity outside basic body functions should mean anything to me.

[titansrule]

IS sorry if I made you feel like you were feeble-minded. I just dont know what it is like to be religious and all I know is that a lot of guys at my school say what they say, do what they do, eat what they eat, because their parents are religious and they have taught them its right. I didnt mean to undermine you at all.

Im just wondering though IS, are you therefore against any sort of contraception? Because even tho I am pro-choice, if someone was 100% against abortion because it will become a living breathing human, then they should surely be against contraception for the same reason.

The 16 week point with dreams...I think that is a very valid point Tigam. And I may change my stance to that accordingly. I had never given it the consideration it deserved, for one reason or another.

I think Chaos, your rule(s) of abortion I would agree with. That the mother need know that she doesnt want a baby prior to pregnancy.