marion jones

[titansrule]

its a shame that athletics is like this...it happens a lot...if you dont know, she has been accused of taking several performance enhancing drugs, i hope she didnt and her name gets cleared, thats all i have to say

I hope enough huge stars get banned from competing for using such substances that they just bloody well legalise them. You're allowed to drink yourself to death, you're allowed to smoke 40 a day, but you aint allowed to sip a little cup of endorphins before a race. Screw it, everyone knows people use drugs, if they want to do it, let it happen. Then we'll be comparing 6.7 second scores in the 100m, but at least we'll know how it was achieved, as opposed to finding out a couple of years later that there was 'substance abuse'.

I'm not sure how many of you are aware of this, but some runners have been known to take other athletes with them so they can have a blood transfusion just before a race. The other person is an athlete and better rested, so the new blood refreshes and boosts the runner.

It's futile to expect people would just train and eat right and then come race.

[cashpath]

Friggin AMEN VLAD!! It's about time someone comes to the site that feels the same way I do!!!

You can smoke, burn up your friggin lungs, and give yourself cancer.. there is no limit to the amount of cigerrettes you can buy in a day but in the US they have banned ephedrine.. because it has been linked to the deaths of about 20 people in the last 10 years!! I mean come on!! These laws are made to get votes, because people are so blind and ignorant that they see these things as bad, when they are actually good, and only bad if used improperly.

Cigerretes are NEVER good.. no matter how you smoke them.. if you smoke more you die faster..

Alchohol can be benefitial in small amounts, but I can go in the store and purchase 10 bottles of Jack Daniels.

But on the other hand you are only allowed to buy two products containing pseudo-ephedra at a time (nyquil, sudafed..)

And ephadra itself as a weight loss supplement is illegal..

I'm not even going to get started on steroids..

Now I know we are walking a fine line here between politics and sports, so I will monitor this thread to ensure that it does not get out of hand, but the topic relates directly to sports so fire away!!

[titansrule]

ha..yeah...ive been brought up to think that it is wrong...but if everyone does it then it sure as hell aint...but i am sick to death of hearing this kinda crap, and that why i said it was a shame, hey most people do it anyway...i have to say i like this angle, good job guys

and i sure as hell hate the fact that they ban stuff like this, it pisses me off...i dont give a crap if you are stupid enough to risk your life on those kinda things..i was talking about the fact that they enhance your performance and i suppose why the hell cant you take something that enhances your performance...i am glad i have been brought to my senses

Yep, follow your elders (i.e. me) and you'll go far, dear boy.

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Note From Cash- Yeah like I said I would be monitoring this thread closely.. I edited out your last sentence Vlad, I know it was a joke, but we have people under 18 here, and thats just asking for trouble joke or no joke. Hope you understand

[ItalianStallion]

Well... I'm actually not so sure if that's a good idea. Yeah, they're bad if you use them incorrectly... but obviously those 20 people didn't use them correctly so why, if they were legal, would people all of a sudden be able to use them the right way? I mean, if I become a pro athlete I don't want to put my health in danger by using this stuff, so when the other people do it and they get the upper hand, then I get penalized for not wanting to put my body in danger. Why is that right?

I understand that many athletes use it, but I don't think the solution is making it legal. I think they should do more Random Drug Testing.

[cashpath]

but obviously those 20 people didn't use them correctly so why, if they were legal, would people all of a sudden be able to use them the right way?

I wonder how many people have died from choking on hotdogs or peanut butter in the last 10 years?? I bet it beats 20 people.. those peole are using them incorrectly so we might as well ban them..

On that note how many people have incorrectly used autmobiles in the past 10 years and died because of it? Lets make them illegal.. How many people have died from hunting accedents in the last 10 years.. guns.. illegal... How many people have died in plane crashes in the past 10 years? illegal... How many people have probably had allergic reactions to basically every drug we have in the past 10 years and died? Probably beats 20 lets make it all illegal..

I'm all for it.. if you want to make something illegal because its killed 20 people in the past 10 years then do it for eveything... Alcohol, Ciggerrets, cars, asperin, nyquil, electricity, running water, swimming pools, swimming in the ocean, Lets make it all illegal...

[ItalianStallion]

Okay sure... but most of that stuff is freak accidents and stuff like that. By using some of these steroids you're probably taking years off of your life. So, on that note, I'd have to say you COULD ban alcohol and cigarettes and there's even some people that would support that.

If you're using these steroids to make yourself a better athlete then you're cheating the game, and I don't think that's right to the athletes who are smart enough to stay away from that stuff.

The reason is simple:Money. Alcohol and tobacco have huge well funded lobbies, you get a couple politicians in your pocket and there you go.

Originally Posted by ItalianStallion

I mean, if I become a pro athlete I don't want to put my health in danger by using this stuff, so when the other people do it and they get the upper hand, then I get penalized for not wanting to put my body in danger. Why is that right?

Its wrong, but you're suggesting that's what would happen... thats the way IT IS NOW. Why is it that the 100m sprint hasnt been won by anyone outside the states, canada and the uk for the past decade? Sure, a couple of guys from the caribbean who live in the US. White men might not be able to jump, but its a joke to say the above group are just physically better than the rest of the freaking world. Dwayne Chambers, dude came out of the same secondary school as me... he had to go do tryouts for NFL Europe since he's gonna sit on his *** for two years for shmoking the steroid joint.
The playing field isn't fair now, but purports to be. Anyway, "performance enhancing" has become such a buzz-phrase.. having pasta for breakfast is performance enhancing for ****s sake!

What lint said, while singed with politics, is totally true. An objective analysis would lead us to argue that cannabis (marijuana) should be legalised eons before consideration is even given to cigarettes. Comparison:
- one causes cancer of the throat, skin and lungs; and also pollutes your veins, so in comes mister heart attack.
- the other - other than doping you up a touch - causes less physical harm than a glass of red wine (which is actually meant to be good for you).
- cannabis is also not physically addictive. sorta like madden, you can love it, but you dont NEED it.

But seriously though, dont be stupid and pay for it.. A method i've found of getting high (wasnt looking for it, it found me) is when working out.. tense up all your muscles, hold your breath. Sure, you kinda lose consciousness for a while, but its so much fun, one time I felt like my body was moving in waves.. like on a water bed.

Part of me wants to delete the above paragraph, some folks might be freaked.. eh, I aint a mod, not gonna concern myself with such things. This sure turned into a rant though.

[cashpath]

If you're using these steroids to make yourself a better athlete then you're cheating the game, and I don't think that's right to the athletes who are smart enough to stay away from that stuff.

Vlad said part of what I was going to say..How are you cheating the game? Cause you are using something that has been scientifically created and helps? If so then athletes shoudl not be able to eat any processed food for that matter, and by god make them take thier shoes off also cause those get better each year, and thats cheating the game.. tainting records.

The bottom line is this.. basically every great athlete now is using steroids, and we have become used to watching them perform amazing feats using the steroids, if they were to stop sports would become boring and we would all stop watching. Everyone who does not have a cloud over thier eyes or is not under 18 years of age knows this. People cry out to get rid of steroids.. Sure get rid of it.. Lets go back to having all our athletes be skinny and slow like it was in the early 60's...

Did you know that a lot of turkey farmers give thier turkeys steroids, to make them bigger and that its been proven that eating those turkeys actually raises your testosterone levels a few %..

Every % helps.. Being in the sun raises your testosterone level also...

As far as Marion Jones.. haha I just watched the video with her on it yesterday and I have to say that people must be pretty damn gullable.. They didn't actually think that woman was using roids?? DID YOU SEE HER BODY??? She was bigger than most guys I know!! And I'm sorry to tell all you women this, but your body does not make enough testosterone naturally to make you that big.

Could yo imagine pro bodybuilding without roids? Everyone would shrink to about 25% of what they are now.. BTW in case you didn't know.. don't follow any of those workouts in those bodybuilding magazines like IronMan or MuscleMag, those are designed for poeple using steroids. You see without steroids those workouts would make you smaller!! Why? Cause you would overtrain you body can't recover in time and your muscles will just keep breaking down..

And for all you kids between the ages of 16-20 you better get your butts in the gym right now, and get yourself a personal trainer that knows what he's doing, cause when you hit 21-22 your bodys production of growth hormon is going to drop to a miniscule amount, and testosterone production will slowly drop.. TESTOSTERONE.. you know the thing that MAKES you a MAN.. well once you become a man its productions starts dropping.. does that make since.. there is no way for you to stop it.. its your bodies way of turning on the age clock.. each day you become less of a man (less testosterone in your body).. So you guys better get in the gym cause if you don't set the foundation now while you have naturally high test and GH levels you will never get as big as me.. NEVER... oh never without using steroids anyway... and nobody should do that cause its horrible...

Originally Posted by cashpath

never get as big as me.. NEVER...

Yea yea, couple of extra pies a week and I'm there.

[cashpath]

I meant my arms and chest and legs.. not my belly

[titansrule]

lol...im under 18 and i can see that most peole use steroids, all oyu have to do is look at the players and then the tabloids, and the thing about the shoes getting better and stuff, i mean its a little far fetched but true...